| Interview with Yahoo! India country
head Neville Taraporewalla |
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'Improving
services and being more consumer centric. These will separate
the big boys from the other mail services' |
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| Posted
on 3 July 2004 |
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Yahoo!
India is completing four years of existence in the subcontinent
and is raring to go. What with competition heating up among the
big portals with the 1 GB (gigabyte) mail account that Google's
Gmail and Rediff.com have offered, Yahoo! has gone ahead and offered
free 100 MB space to its email subscribers... which was quite a
jump from the 6 MB space that the service provider initially offered.
As
of now the 100 MB is being offered to all Yahoo! subscribers except
in the Indian, Chinese and Taiwan markets. In a tête-à-tête
with
indiantelevision.com's
Hetal Adesara,
Yahoo! India country head Neville Taraporewalla spoke about Yahoo!'s
plans for India, the Indian online market viz-a-viz the international
one and more.
Excerpts:
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Online advertising has been growing steadily over the last two years
and a lot of brands and sectors which were not advertising online
earlier have increasingly started using the net to promote their
products. What do you attribute this to?
I
think it is just the fact that the medium has matured. There is
a certain acceptance among marketers that this medium is here to
stay. It has a pretty large penetration in the market and obviously
if appropriately and correctly used it can achieve a lot of goals
which marketers have in mind.
Also,
it is the only medium which allows you to demographically target
consumers in multiple ways. And there is the growth of the Internet
itself as the number of users is increasing. Today there are 25
million users in India and they happen to be in the A1 and A2 categories
which are those people who actually have the money spending power.
The
next six months will play a very critical role in all media planning
that takes place and Internet will be one of the media that media
planners will have to consider.
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So do you think that marketers have started believing more in
the power of the Internet?
Yes, I do think so. Actually the bend towards the Internet started
from the client's end. If you see Yahoo!'s clientele, we have a
lot of dealings directly with the clients. I think the agencies
have been a little slow in accepting the medium. Probably they were
busy with television and print so obviously no resources were moved
onto the Internet.
We
at Yahoo! India have introduced a lot more scientific ways of marketing
our products in the last one year than in the past.
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How
much would you peg the online advertising market in India as?
This year it is about $15 million compared to last year when
it was $8.5 million. This is practically a 100 per cent jump. And
I believe that in the next three years, there will be a 50 - 70
per cent increase every year.
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Where
do you think the Indian online advertising market stands as compared
to the international market?
It is negligible, because if you look at the total advertising pie
in India, online advertising is 0.5 per cent currently but growing
every quarter. I believe that the share of online advertising will
grow to be around 2.5 to 5 per cent to the total advertising pie
within the next two years. It is growing. I would like to see the
figure go to Rs 1 billion this year. This year they say that it
is going to be anywhere between Rs 700 million to Rs 1 billion.
But if it touches Rs 1 billion, it is going to be great as it will
be over a 100 per cent jump over last year. It is going to be fantastic.
All indicators are that we can do it.
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Which
are the brands that advertise on your portal?
All
the traditional brands advertise with us. In the financial sector
we have ICICI Bank, Citi Bank, ICICI Direct and HDFC Bank. In the
FMCG sector we have Pepsi, Motorola and Samsung. Channels that have
advertised with us are ESPN and Discovery. Among the Dot Coms we
have Shaadi.com, Baazee.com and Bharatmatrimony.com. In the travel
business we have Thomas Cook and the Department of Tourism. So I
would say that we have the top five brands across the board.
And
the most important thing is that in the last two quarters, I have
seen Hindustan Levers Limited (HLL) moving their budgets to the
Internet and they being India's largest advertising company. And
when they shift their budgets to the Internet, it spells a lot.
One
of the things that we have pioneered is the use of innovative advertising
on the Internet. Then we found a lot of others replicating it. If
you see what Sify or Rediff did for Close Up re-launch campaign,
we were very different from them. For that of course we leverage
our international experience.
Even
during the last year's World Cup, the launch of the Pepsi Blue won
the Gold Abby award. We present our client's brand in an innovative
way because at the end of the day, the Internet is a classic place
where you can actually gain mindshare more than the market share.
It
is also how we communicate all this to our clients and excite them
which in turn will make them buy into this idea. Then we also have
to show them that the ideas are deliverable and if they won't convert
into some form of traffic, eyeballs or mindshare then obviously
the client is not going to look at it.
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"Internet
allows the marketer to get the product that much more closer
and straight into the homes of the consumer"
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If
we go back to what Yahoo! India did with the Close-Up re-launch
recently, the whole homepage was branded red with it. Don't you
agree with the fact that the mother brand is sacrosanct?
I'd say you are very traditional. I'll give you an example of when
indya.com was re-launched; they did a wrap around with Times
of India. Also this Close Up stuff could have been even better
if it was user initiated. Like we could have done the innovation
on the Yahoo! India page and then when a user visits it, he would
have a choice of whether to turn it red or not. So in such a case
one can still keep the homepage sacrosanct.
What
had happened on the first day of the Close Up ad on Yahoo! India,
that the whole page was red when you go to the homepage. When it
came in subsequently, it was the other way round. And secondly,
we frequency gapped it. So if a particular user comes to the homepage
on a day, and logged on again, it would not be there. The idea was
to restrict the number of times the user would see it. We have the
technology to do it, so we utilised it.
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What
benefits does the Internet offer as compared to other media?
I think it brings about one-to-one direct communication and it allows
the brand to play a much larger role in the mind of the users. It
provides a platform for the brand to actually communicate with the
users and let the user feel the brand.
If
one logs on to pepsizone.yahoo.co.in, one will almost feel that
they have landed in Pepsi land. The print or any other medium of
communication will not be able to do since they are passive, while
the Internet is an interactive medium. Recently, we have added multimedia
to the Pepsi zone on Yahoo!, wherein one can see a commercial as
many times that he wants.
So
I think interactivity and one-to-one communication is what the Internet
offers. It also allows the marketer to get the product that much
more closer and straight into the homes of the consumer via the
Internet.
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How
does one monitor advertising done on the Internet? That is a constant
worry marketers have had, which is why they have been reluctant
to put in real money on the Internet. Is there anything being done,
or any neutral system being put into place for tracking the actual
effectiveness and reach of Internet advertising?
Internationally there is a system and as far as Yahoo! is concerned
we have an online monitoring system. Once someone becomes an advertiser
with us, within 48 hours of the campaign going online, we give them
all online statistics for their ad campaign.
For
example: How many times was the innovation seen, the number of people
who clicked on it. So the click rates actually tell us how good
the communication has been.
But
at the end of the day, whether the consumer buys the product advertised
or not solely depends on how good the product is and the Internet
companies are not responsible for that. Our job is to bring the
customer to the brand. I think every subsequent medium after print
has been able to do a lot more. Print allows the user to see it,
television, though passive in nature, allows the user some movement
and Internet allows the user to actually communicate.
We
are still a media company and are no different from the print or
the television media. In both these cases the idea is to evoke a
response. So here also we are hoping to evoke a response but the
interactivity in the case of the Internet can go a long way.
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What
has the response been to online mobile initiatives in India? Where
do you see it going?
It
is very nascent in India. We have done three or four synergistic
campaigns with Kinetic and also with BBC World when they had launched
their University Challenge programme. Recently, we did one with
Pepsi when the movie Main Hoon Na was launched. Yahoo! has
a mobile short code of 8243 where one can download a whole lot of
mobile content. Pepsi carried a television campaign around the movie
where Shahrukh Khan needed advice on how to win over his Chemistry
teacher. So people could offer their advice as to how Khan could
romance his teacher by SMSing to 8243.
Hence,
there is a synergy between the web and the mobile subscribers and
Yahoo! has products which we extend to the mobile. And not just
commodity products like ringtones, picture messages and wall papers
but core products like the mobile messenger. Users can access mail
on the mobile and be in touch with everyone on Yahoo! Messenger
on the mobile. We also have a new service PC to SMS, which allows
communication from a computer to SMS and vice versa. All this is
there and we are further looking at developing our Yahoo! core services
from time to time.
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What goes behind marketing a Dot Com in the industry?
Big question. I think we have been lucky because we are an international
brand. Yahoo! India has been the number one website as far as Internet
advertising and the major traffic sites in four metros - Kolkata,
Chennai, Mumbai and Delhi are concerned. It only reflects that our
brand is very strong. So obviously marketing is an important fact
and more so for those which are not the leading brands. There is
a lot of effort. One also needs to look at trade, offline, outdoor.
In
Yahoo!, we first look at our audience online because we have an
online community so we try to market our products online. Then the
next step is to look offline.
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"We
will work with others but only the best in the business. We
won't work with anyone and everyone"
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What
is the business model of a Dot Com in India? How different is it
from the international business model?
The Indian Dot Com model is very different from the international
one. I think Dot Coms have now realised (like in the case of Yahoo!)
that Internet can be a very powerful medium and a very positive
business model if the medium is used to offer effective services.
That is what everyone in this industry is trying to leverage. Yahoo!
right now looks at advertising as an important factor; in fact advertising
will always be an important factor because where there are users
there will be advertisers.
We
also provide mobile downloadable content services to the users.
So the business model of a Dot Com differs from website to website,
but largely I have noticed that providing effective service over
the Internet is an important thing. And if you can do that you can
charge the customer.
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Yahoo
Europe recently acquired the price-comparison Web site Kelkoo. What
is Yahoo's business plan in India?
I'll make our stand pretty clear, we have been in India since the
last four years and we've always looked at opportunities as to how
we can grow the market and get into new business. So obviously,
commerce is an area which we are looking at.
I
feel that the threshold for the total number of users needs to be
100 million for any business model to succeed. The fact that we
are in this market shows that this market is potentially big for
us. Our growth in terms of users and in terms of how marketers view
Yahoo! in India is very positive. So we will obviously evaluate
opportunities related to commerce as we go ahead.
But
the biggest factor still remains that there has to be a threshold
level of users. Buying over the Internet in India as of now is on
the basis of cash on delivery. We would like to indulge in a truly
online model. There are a lot of governmental regulations which
also needs to be cleared before anything is done. So yes, we are
looking at such things but at the right time and the right opportunity.
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Apart
from Yahoo! India's alliance with Naukri.com for Yahoo! India Careers,
what are the other alliances you'll are looking at?
We have two such alliances. Last year we did a tie up with Shaadi.com
to power Yahoo! Matrimony and this year we did one with Naukri.com
to power Yahoo! India Careers. We will continue to work with leading
verticals as we go along because at the end of the day, it is very
important to offer core services to our users. So we will work with
others but only the best in the business. We won't work with anyone
and everyone.
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What
are the sources that Yahoo! aggregates its content from?
Worldwide we have an aggregation model and we do so from different
websites. In India we aggregate through Reuters, India Abroad News
Service, Business Standard, Mid-Day, IndiaFm, API, Equity Master
etc. We are also in talks with other large content companies for
tie-ups.
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Why did Yahoo! offer 100 MB mail account right after Google announced
the free 1 GB Gmail account? Was it a panic response?
Every journalist has an immediate link of our move to that of Google.
But I don't think it is like that. We have been around since 1997
and one of our core properties has been mail. We have acquired customers
over this platform and have invested in this platform. So obviously
over a period of time we need to make our product better and one
of our agendas has been to make it consumer centric. We will have
services which will put us apart from any competitors. We welcome
competition and have never said no to competition. We have Hotmail
etc as our chief competitors but if one differentiates the services,
I believe that Yahoo! mail is today one of the best services in
terms of offering mail across the board.
I
say that not just because of the 100 MB, because storage has now
become a non issue. Over a period of time it is going to be the
number of services that I can offer. How do I protect a user from
getting spam? How do I allow a user facilities where he can search
previous mails faster? How do I empower a user to create disposable
email ids?
We
are going to work on improving our services and make it more consumers
centric. And these will separate the big boys from the other mail
services. So these 1 GB, 2 GB, 3 GB is soon going to become a non
issue.
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"The
threshold for the total number of users needs to be 100 million
for any business model to succeed"
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Yahoo!
India is increasing mail storage capacity and a host of other new
services from September. Why wasn't this done in India along with
the rest of the world?
It was not done in three countries - India, China and Taiwan, largely
because the number of consumers in these three markets is very high
and we need to upgrade our infrastructure appropriately.
All
other markets operate out of the US and are centrally controlled
from there so it was easy to carry this out in those places. These
three markets have their own infrastructure and in India we have
our infrastructure with VSNL. So we buy only certain types of hardware
which are important and it takes at least 45 days to put them in
place and hook them up etc. So once that gets completed we will
roll it out. It will take about 45 - 60 days, so around September
it should be in place.
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How
are the portals managing the huge size of the email IDs? Is it a
way of getting subscribers hooked on to the service initially and
then wake up to a shock of having to pay for the same service some
months down the line? And suppose one portal does that, others will
obviously follow suit. Comment.
I think it is going to differ from portal to portal because
it is directly related to the business opportunity that each portal
scopes for itself.
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But
one thing is there, that if one portal does such a thing, the others
will follow suit. Isn't that the general trend in this competitive
market?
I think it depends completely on where that portal is going to make
money from. I personally don't think mails will become a paid service
because there is not going to be a penchant to do that.
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How
was last year for Yahoo! India in terms of revenue? What are the
expectations this year?
I
won't be able to give you absolute numbers but I can tell you that
we grew in terms of overall revenue by over 100 per cent.
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What
is going to be Yahoo! India's core focus this year?
Yahoo! India will continue to build the communication properties
which includes mail, messenger, mobile, games, movies, entertainment,
also online advertising because we believe we play a big role in
that. Apart from that, towards the end we will look at commerce.
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How similar or different are the Indian and the Chinese online markets?
I think mobile penetration is the common factor between the two
as it is growing in both the markets. I think it is just the penetration
that is different because more people can afford to buy a lot more
things there than here. Mobile is the complete proof. The penetration
of mobile in China would be somewhere around 200 million subscribers
as compared to India's 37 million subscribers. So therein lies the
difference. Also the penetration of Internet is very high in China
when compared to India.
Yes,
the opportunity in both the markets is huge but the infrastructure
vis-à-vis China and India - they are poles apart. Unfortunately
we lack infrastructure.
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"The
opportunity in the Indian and Chinese markets is huge but
when it comes to the infrastructure they are poles apart.
Unfortunately we lack infrastructure"
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While everyone believes that the future is the Internet, it is still
a long haul to where people start putting their money where their
mouth is as it were. Do you think there will be a trigger that will
change this and if so what is it?
I think the fact that eBay has bought Baazee.com is a good enough
sign that the market is here to stay and it is here for the long
haul. So I think it is a good time to be in this business.
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But
it is wireless telephony that is getting everyone excited at the
moment...
Of course mobile and wireless telephony is growing, but so is the
Internet. But there is nothing wrong if two things grow simultaneously.
I don't see why they both can't grow together and moreover they
are interdependent on each other to an extent.
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