| Interview with McCann
Erickson India president Santosh Desai |
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"We
define work in terms of the impact that the advertising has
on the lives of people"
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| Posted
on 30 August 2003 |
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The
'Thanda Matlab Coca-Cola' campaign is testimony of what McCann Erickson
firmly believes in! The agency strives hard to produce work that
is rooted in a deep understanding of the consumer; work that impacts
the lives of consumers. The Coca Cola campaign has resulted in a
rich haul of awards - both from local and global advertising fraternity.
But,
McCann Erickson India's president Santosh Desai feels this recognition
wasn't expected to come so soon.
"The
endeavour is to build an organisation which engages in meaningful
activities. We have made substantial progress in this direction.
It has helped that we have been able to demonstrate what we mean
by our kind of work. The Coca Cola campaign is a great example of
that," says Desai, who has been trying to work on such belief
system over the last year and a half.
Desai
spoke to Indiantelevision.com's Ritesh
Gupta
about his plans for the agency, the recent rumours of retrenchment
in Delhi office and his views on the quality of work being produced
of late. Excerpts:
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Recently
there were reports of retrenchment in McCann, Delhi. How has this
agency actually performed in the recent past?
The
rumours were just that - rumours! Today, it is apparent that all
that was reported was false.
The
agency is doing well. We did lose a significant chunk of business
in Delhi 18 months ago, but we have made up for it. The last six
months have been terrific.
We
have won Onida, Dabur (Chyawanprash), Balsara, Fortune Lotto, Pears
and much more. It's been a good year of us as far as new business
is concerned. In terms of creative work, it's been a fantastic year.
Not just Coke, but, today we have a healthy share of noticeable
and quality creative work on television. A huge progress has been
made in terms of sustaining the quality of the output.
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When
you took over as president, McCann had lost some major business.
How have operations shaped up during your tenure?
International re-alignments on Reckitts and Gillette did hit us,
but that was before my time. This year our focus has been to showcase
our work; and business has followed automatically. The real challenge
is to align the organisation behind a belief system - a shared desire
to produce not just good work; but consistent work of a particular
kind. Work that is rooted in deep understanding and impacts the
lives of consumers.
To
me the biggest problem is that there are no specialists in advertising.
The endeavour is to build an organisation which engages in meaningful
activity. We have made substantial progress in this direction.
It
has helped that we have been able to demonstrate what we mean by
'our' kind of work. Coke is a great example of that. What is important
is that everybody in the agency has to be excited and inspired;
and work harder to make it happen. As an organisation, we aspire
to produce quality naturally and one that doesn't have to work hard
to reach that stage again and again. So that's the core competency
that we have been trying to build upon. Yes, it is an on-going process
and will continue.
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gold in Cannes is pretty rare. It happened on a piece of work
that we are really proud of" |
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So
how have you communicated this philosophy within the organisation?
Internally, we have done lot of work on making sure that everyone
internalises and imbibes the core philosophy. We have conducted
several workshops. We have clearly defined our agenda in the following
terms - the kind of work, inputs and intellectual energy that we
want - and not in business terms. We have worked extensively on
our recruitments because eventually it all boils down to people
who share similar mindset and same set of desires. Even within the
organisation, there is this sense of excitement about this kind
of an approach.
The
biggest inspiration is finally, the work, that we put out. I think
people within and outside can clearly see the difference this approach
makes. Nothing is more infectious than delivered success.
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McCann
has performed fairly well in India and abroad in terms of recognition
gained through awards. What do you have to say on this?
It's terrific. Perhaps, a little unexpectedly early for us. A gold
in Cannes is pretty rare. It happened on a piece of work that we
are really proud of. And it's something which we want to reflect
in our future work too. The big thing is that it is a heartland
campaign and it is really comes from the core of what we want advertising
to be. And therefore it is gratifying.
At
the same time - while recognition is important and it certainly
builds momentum - but in reality that is not the real objective.
Recognition is a by-product of the objective. The objective is to
produce work that connects the brand to the people in India. Work
that excites them and makes an impact in their lives.
We
do not define our objective in terms of salience of the advertising
and also not necessarily in terms of sales. We define work in terms
of the impact that the advertising has on the lives of people.
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current methodology to understand the vocabulary and process
to evoke the desired emotional responses is pathetic." |
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The
creative vocabulary in advertising has undergone a change. Earlier,
you mentioned that advertising seems to be superficial. How have
we progressed?
Even now, most of the advertising is caught up in very simple structures
of communication. I think we glorify single-mindedness needlessly.
Perhaps it's possible to be single-minded but it's never possible
to be single-hearted.
Communication
always evokes a complex set of emotional responses and that's what
it is meant to do. It doesn't mean that we should merely deliver
messages; it's all about delivering responses.
I think
we are too caught up in what we have to say. What you are eventually
going to say doesn't really matter. What matters is the kind of
emotional response you evoke. The current methodology to understand
the vocabulary and process to evoke the desired emotional responses
is pathetic. It is pitiful as we don't really understand the process.
So we simplify advertising by talking about just one thing - something
similar to the concept of the unique selling proposition. And then
we find a way of saying it. To my mind, that is not communication
at all.
You
have to bear responsibility of what is being received rather than
what you are emitting. So how does one understand what is being
received? You have to understand the filters from which somebody
receives things. There has to be an effort to grasp culture and
lots of other things. If you don't have a general understanding
of how communication works with people; then you are really not
into advertising.
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So
is this the reason behind the focus on developing a distinct work
culture?
I think so. It's very clear that the problem with advertising here
is that references used are very narrow. India is one such market
where 70 per cent of population is not even represented in advertising.
It's as if that portion of India doesn't exist as far as advertising
is concerned. We shut them (the rural areas) out.
We also shut out aspects of our lives, the way we have grown up.
Anybody
in a commercial is likely to be called 'Rahul', nobody is called
`Pappu'. Also, I don't mean that it should be stereotyped any other
way. But simply, there is a living, flesh and blood reality which
is being ignored and advertising should consider this aspect.
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The
usage of celebrity has been criticised in the recent times. What
do you think is the key in using celebrity in a campaign?
I can understand the argument against the usage of celebrity in
advertisements. It is deemed by many as the lazy way of getting
attention. That is true. However, to ignore the whole notion of
celebrity-ness and the power of celebrityhood would be foolish as
well.
A celebrity
attracts public attention quite naturally. But if you have a great
idea and a celebrity, it multiplies and magnifies the impact on
people's lives. For instance, Aamir Khan in Coke is a separate Aamir
from anywhere else. The 'Aamir Coke' brand of performance has a
100 per cent tie-in with Coke. It's almost as if you see Aamir and
Coke gets evoked. And that is not because Aamir has endorsed the
product; because he has been used intelligently.
So
the usage of celebrity has to be done in an intelligent manner.
If you use them as props, it's of no use.
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| "
As long as people in advertising
want to represent reality - which actually is their own aspirational
reality and not of the people they are talking to - the work
will continue to suffer" |
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Why
there is sudden stress on usage of Hindi idiom? How come we were
missing out on this earlier in a big way?
This can be attributed to people who represent the advertising fraternity.
As long as people in advertising want to represent reality - which
actually is their own aspirational reality and not of the people
they are talking to - the work will continue to suffer. Hindi is
just shorthand for representing our natural selves. The issue is
not Hindi or English but naturalness and being comfortable with
who we really are.
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You
had categorically stated that McCann's planning has always been
sound but creative has been rarely brilliant. Do you think there
is more synergy between the two?
If we continue to do well in the long run, it will be due to the
fact that there is a process, an alignment and agreement that is
working. It also allows us to convert planning into a creative expression.
To me, that is something we have been searching for a long time.
And it is happening, we need to take it forward and push it. But
it is there. And that is something really big which we got have
right in recent times.
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