| Indiantelevision.com's
interview with Sagar Arts Marketting Director Prem Sagar |
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"For
the last 10 years, we decided not to market the epic serial.
We wanted 'Ramayan' to resurface for the new generation"
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on 20 November 2004 |
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A legendary maker of the epic serial Ramayan, Dr Ramanand Sagar
has achieved several milestones including the Padma Shri award.
On Friday, added another one to his overstocked cupboard when he
was bestowed with the India Telly Lifetime Achievement Award.
Taking
a trip down memory lane, indiantelevision's Sibabrata Das
interviews Sagar's son and the company's marketing director Prem
Sagar to find out how the "hand of God" worked to create
what many a faithful follower have termed the biggest miracle on
Indian television. Excerpts:
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Ramayan was more a cultural than a commercial obsession for
the family. Did this have anything to do with the break up of the
deal with BBC?
Everything
was almost finalised and we were called to the BBC office. They
wanted our star to attire as Lord Rama and move around the BBC office
for being photographed. We initially agreed, but then realised what
they were trying to do. We told them that our Rama couldn't be photographed;
he carries the image of God. Finally, it was Mahabharat that
was shown on Channel 4.
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How difficult was it to make an epic serial like the Ramayan
when you got the nod from Doordarshan and were given just 10
days to bring it on air?
Our initial reaction was not to agree. But we changed our stance
the next day. We met in the terrace, as we usually do every morning
as a joint family to take up important issues while my father feeds
the pigeons. All of us decided there that we could make it. Imagine
Ramayan went on DD without a bank.
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Your
family has believed in ancient values and culture. Did astrology predict
Ramayan would come from Dr Ramanand Sagar?
In
1942, an astrologer called Nityanand predicted in Kashmir that my
dad would make mythologies. It is really a miracle. The birth of Ramayan
and Shri Krishna was seen in 1942 when he didn't have money
to even buy milk. Who would have thought that he would create epics
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Do
you think the younger audience has changed and Ramayan would
no longer appeal to them?
For
the last 10 years, we decided not to market the epic serial. We
wanted Ramayan to resurface for the new generation. We have actually
relaunched it now.
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How?
We invested around Rs 4 crore (Rs 40 million) to digitise Ramayan.
It took us almost two years to do that. We took a big risk. But
now we have an upgraded Ramayan. The entire Ramayan has
gone through smoke. The special effects and frames are redone. We
have remixed the soundtrack. In short, we have made Ramayan ready
for the 2004 generation.
What
are the new revenue streams for Ramayan?
As the legend goes, the story of Ramayan never ends.
Even now it is running in some parts of the world. We have also
launched Ramayan on different regional channels including
the four ETV networks. We are selling VCDs and DVDs of Ramayan.
The epic serial is shown in 50 countries. We are also planning to
get into publishing of the mythological serials.
Are
you planning a return of Ramayan on Doordarshan?
We
will feel our mission is complete when DD takes it. We have made
our intentions known as a new generation has come up after the telecast
of Ramayan in the '80s. How can you deny them from seeing
the greatest Indian epic? Ramayan teaches us idealism. The
truth is that if you want to lead an ideal life, you have to pay
a price for it. That is what makes Rama such a strong and relevant
character today.
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What
did the family go through when Ramanand Sagar's first two films
flopped and he ran out of money?
Well, it has been quite a battle for my dad. He started as a
clapper boy in 1936 before he wrote Barsaat for Raj Kapoor
which went on to become a big hit. Writing has always been his biggest
strength and he has written for 59 motion picture films. Then he
made two movies that flopped. I remember how excited he was and
he took us in the old Hindustan Morris car to the Royal Opera House.
But there was hardly any turnout. That put the whole family into
a lot of hardship. Before the industry could accept him again, he
had to churn out a lot of hits.
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"He
(Ramanand Sagar - inset) used to ask us to travel across
the country to get into the pulse of people's viewing tastes.
He wanted feedback from direct audience contact. The whole
family was taught how to reach masses"
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He
joined Gemini as a writer?
He became a star writer and created the biggest hits like Insaniyat
in Gemini. He admitted SS Vasan as his guru and learnt film making
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How
many movies did he make under the Sagar Arts banner?
He made 16 motion pictures under his company. He had 12 successes
including six super hits like Arzoo. |
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What
have you learnt from him?
He used to ask us to travel across the country to get into the
pulse of people's viewing tastes. He wanted feedback from direct
audience contact. The whole family was taught how to reach masses.
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What
made him move away from movies to television?
He realised the mass power of television in 1975 when we were
shooting for a film called Charas. It was there that he decided
to make three mythological sequels - Ramayan, Shri Krishna and
Jai Maa Durga.
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Why
did it take so long to make Ramayan?
I was sent around the world with pamphlets. But nobody was willing
to put money behind the project. We were criticised for leaving
movies and getting into television. Everybody thought it was a stupid
idea.
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Why Vikram Aur Betal was made ahead of Ramayan?
We did it as a test market product. We were given the 4 pm slot
on Sundays. For a 3,500-year-old story, it was a real bad slot.
But it was a popular programme and started a new trend of special
effects.
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Even Ramayan got a bad slot?
DD had very few viewers on Sunday mornings. But with Ramayan
really taking off, it became the golden slot for DD.
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Did you make more money on Shri Krishna?
Krishna was kind to our family. It made a debut on DD-2
in 1992. Then it was shifted to DD-1 and ran for another three years.
After that it ran on Zee TV for about 18 months |
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How
attractive is DD today for production houses?
DD
has to realise market situations and move with the times. |
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How
is the third generation taking the Sagar Group ahead?
It
is an amazing blend of three generations. We have an experience in
ideas and story content. The third generation is adding technology
while imbibing our values. |
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Why
was Jai Maa Durga not made earlier even after an announcement
was made?
In 1997, we had made an announcement and had plans to have Hema
Malini play the lead. The rights were to be with Amitabh Bachchan-promoted
ABCL. But Shri Krishna got a long run. It was then that Hema
Malini did Jai Mata Di on DD. So some time had to pass. Now
we are doing it with a new cast. |
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